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Get to know us and yourself through the eyes of the enneagram. The enneagram, an ancient personality test, is an amazing tool used for self-discovery. We give a little background and an overview of the 9 types. We also talk about the attributes and challenges that would affect your life as an entrepreneur/Realtor. This is a fun conversation that anyone can find useful in their daily lives.

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So stop comparing yourself and start embracing your strengths. This is episode 13. Episode 13.

The Enneagram the Enneagram Know thyself,

I like that.

Do you know you?

I hope so. I think so. I thought I did until you started researching.

Yes. Oh, but that’s part of my number two. We’ll get into that. Okay, alive. It feels like I thought I knew myself. And then

you did it. Right. Okay, you’re down a rabbit hole now. Yeah. Well, okay. To be fair, it is sort of all about self discovery. So that’s what it’s all about. Okay, you have some information on I want to preface this by we’re not Enneagram experts, we just find it to be interesting. We thought it would be cool to kind of delve into who we are through this description. Right. Okay. So tell us what you’ve learned about the Enneagram. I have learned

that despite its popularity, really the last three years it’s been around forever,

right? Oh, wait, tell the story of your mom.

So when I was doing my research, I was telling my mom that I was studying the Enneagram and that it was this new personality typing system. And she was like, That’s not new. Without when I was like a kid

I heard she probably just heard about this in the last two years.

Yeah, well come to find out. It’s like ancient Oh, like it goes back before people. Nobody’s really even sure where it came from really interesting. Now there is a monk, okay, that used it for spiritual counseling. Okay. And they think that he created it all those years ago. But the reason that it just became popular, okay. It’s because a book called The road back to you. Oh, it’s released three years

ago, and I guess it went viral via very viral so that is why even though

this is an ancient ideology, it is very popular right now. And we’re very much in a culture that’s very into like self help self discovery, improving yourself constantly. I think that’s good. Yeah. All good things. So when this book came out, people were like the road back to you. They really grabbed on to it. Yeah. Okay. And so a lot of our content today you can that’s a good place to start. Okay, want to the audio book is actually really good. Did you listen to the whole thing? Don’t lie it I did. Ian Morgan, Kron wrote it, okay. And he reads it. Oh, I like

when whoever wrote it reads it.

Me too. And he just did such a good job reading good. I took a lot of notes while I was listening to his book, because he is considered to be him and his wife are considered to be like the mother and father of the modern Enneagram. Got it because they kind of revitalized and they had been interested in it for so long that he wrote this book. Very interesting. Right. So basically, it’s an ancient Personality Typing system that is currently trending very, and it’s being talked about in every industry. Okay. And there are nine basic personality rice, can you tell us what the nine are? Okay, you don’t have to go into too much detail. First. I’m

just going to tell you the names to start with. And then maybe we’ll dive further into them. Yeah, give it a name and number I’m gonna give you the name and the real super brief description. One is the reformer. So number one description rational, idealistic type, principled, purposeful, self controlled, and perfectionistic. You’ll hear people call this the perfectionist Yeah. Okay to the helper, the caring interpersonal type, demonstrative, generous people pleasing, and possessive. Three is the achiever. The success oriented, pragmatic type, adaptive, excelling, driven and image conscious, the individualist, the sensitive, withdrawn, type, expressive, dramatic, self absorbed and temperamental. That’s four, five the investigator the intense cerebral type, perceptive, innovative, secretive and isolated. Six is the loyalist the committed security IT security oriented type engaging, responsible, anxious and suspicious. Seven is the enthusiast, busy, fun, loving type, spontaneous versatile, distractible, and scattered. Eight is the Challenger the powerful, dominating type self confident, decisive, willful and confrontational. Nine the peacemaker, easygoing, self effacing, type, receptive, reassuring, agreeable and emplacement and I got those from the Enneagram institute.com. Yes. So that was helpful. It has tons of information there. And I listened to a couple of podcasts over the weekend and preparation. One was any agreement coffee, which is a really great Instagram account. Basically, Sarah Jane case runs that Instagram, she became sort of obsessed with the Enneagram and was constantly talking to her family about it. And finally, they were like, can you find an outlet for this? Like, we don’t want to hear it anymore. So she created the Instagram and it has gone super viral. Also, I think there’s like 400,000 people following Enneagram and coffee. So she also has a podcast. And then I actually listened to another Enneagram podcast called typography. And they interviewed Sarah Jane case. So I wanted to hear more of her story. And I thought the best way to do that was to listen to someone else introduce her. And so that’s where some of this information came from.

Yeah, I feel like one reason people are also really latching on to this is because most personalities has put you in a box there, right? This is you, this is who you are. And the Enneagram is more about why are you write? Why do you react to life the way you do? Yeah. And it acknowledges that some things you cannot control, like some things are from your childhood. And the Enneagram is here to help you understand yourself so that you can react better, and be more self confident. And then whenever you’re dealing with other people, you understand them. So it sort of just forces you to have this compassion and grace for yourself. Right? That’s for other people. Yep. Which I think is really important in business. Yeah, for sure. I mean, how many times have you worked with a client that you just didn’t understand? No,

I mean, you can’t expect everyone to be like you. And that’s tough, because you only understand how you would react to a situation, right? So

yeah, we have to stop trying to change everybody to be like you, right? You got to come at them where they are right, wherever they are. And that’s what the Intagram is about accepting people. Yeah, I was

they were saying basically, you know, to use it as a tool. It’s more fluid and that you may be one number in one environment, you may be another number and another like, you know, if you’re at being healthy, unhealthy, it the Enneagram itself. I know, I don’t know if anyone’s ever seen like the little symbol. It’s because some of you got this in your notes. Okay,

good. We’ll get to it. I’ll go over the structure real quick. Yeah, do it. I do think you should google it real quick, just to see what we’re talking about. So you’ll understand. But the INIA gram, literally means nine figures. Oh, and it’s nine numbers in a circle, right? Each number is connected to two others across from them exactly. One number across from them is where they go in their strength. And one number across from them is where they go when they’re unhealthy. Okay, so it’s good to recognize your number and your strength and weakness, right? Because it helps you recognize when you’re heading in an unhealthy direction. Yes. Am I handling this properly? For sure? What traits Am I Yeah, portraying? I know this is me going to my unhealthy space, right. And then the number on each side of you to your right and your left are your wings, okay. And people usually gravitate towards one. Okay, one of the not both. Usually, it’s the adjacent ones. So if you’re up for it would be five and three or three. Okay. Yes. So that’s kind of the there’s more to it. There’s a lot to it. There’s a lot to it. But I feel like as an intro to Enneagram that’s a good yes.

You may hear people describe themselves as a whatever wing whatever. Yes, like I am a three wing 2k. And I have a two wing three, which we found funny. That is pretty funny. And I’m going to insert here because it’s hilarious. When I took the test the first time it said to and then I couldn’t remember what my wing was. And I took him both within the last year. So I took it again, like two weeks ago in preparation. And I said, Okay, I couldn’t figure out my wing. I’m gonna take it again and see what I get. Well, I got two again, and then it said, Your wings are balanced. So one and three, but three is just a bit higher than the one and what is hilarious is there are names for all of the wing types. So if you’re a two wing three, and I didn’t I’m not going to tell everybody every single name because that would take us forever. But so I’m a two wing three, the host and you three wing to the charmer. And I think that is perfect. That’s been this application where we’re recording a podcast, I find you to be very charming.

I find you a great host Thank you always make sure that we are ready and that we have our beverages. How crazy

is that? So the, like, just, I love self discovery, I find it to be very interesting. So this I’m like, totally into because I mean, it really is accurate.

I can’t decide what’s better. I don’t after listening to the audio book, which it’s a quick audio book, okay? It’s not very long. It’s only 12 or 13 chapters. Okay? Um, I can’t decide if I think it’s better to take the test to know your tight, okay, and then listen to the book, or to listen to the book and see what you think. And then take your tests. Yeah, and see if it matches what you thought, I guess maybe knowing your type. And then listening to the book would be best because it would just kind of affirm. Right listening to right, but it’s there. See, I relate very much to the number one also. So I could see where but I’ve taken the test several times, and it always comes out through. So it is what it is. But I definitely have some one tendons. Sure. But that’s what is cool about the Enneagram. Yeah, is that all of us have some of every single short, right, but where do we live? Yeah. And like what is your day to day reaction?

Right? For sure.

What I do have a couple of quotes. This is from Brother Merton, who is very into the Enneagram. Sooner or later, we must distinguish between what we are not and what we are, we must accept the fact that we are not what we would like to be all the time. Oh, right, we must cast off our false exterior self and the showy garment that it is, we must find our real self and all of its poverty, but also all of its great dignity. Wow. So it’s very much about knowing you the good, the bad, the ugly, right? And how can you excel for sure. In your

you want to? Well, you want to lean into your strengths. Yeah. And try to find ways to help yourself navigate through your weaknesses. Right. And that is sort of the whole thing with self discovery. Yeah, some people just want to block it out. Right. I don’t want to I don’t want to address the fact that maybe these tendencies are going to make things hard for me. Yeah. Okay. Do you want me to go through some traits for each one or where What are you?

Let’s discuss number one.

Okay. Let’s do number one. So number one is the reformer. Again, this is the you know, perfectionistic one, healthy traits. They are responsible, they have a fine eye for detail. Loyal, capable partners and friends, active practical people that get things done their natural born organizers, list makers, they’re honest, they are self reliant and seldom run out of things to do. So those are some of the good traits and look I put these others in the unhealthy trait column but I think in some ways they can still be good it just depends on how you’re you’re you’re navigating them workaholics I can I can relate some fixed on improvement rule follower and expects others to do so as well. Last one, to leave the office first one to return tents, people who have a hard time, you know, relaxing and who unnecessarily deny themselves many of the harmless pleasures of life. Yeah, they tend to be emotionally repressed and uncomfortable with their feeling with expressing tender feelings. They generally see emotionality as a sign of weakness, and lack of control. And here are some famous Well, I’ll tell you the famous ones after we discuss it,

okay. Okay, so I’m married to a one Oh,

okay. Tell us how that goes. Does this all of this resonate with you

everything except the like, very, because even in the book, they talk about how they have a very strict need for like everything to be in order and clean and to do lists, right. Tanner? My husband does not like to do lists, okay. And and things like that. Now, he is somewhat clinically but I get like OCD on the right organized scale. Okay. That’s the only part that he but as far as everything is very black and white. There’s not a lot of gray area. They’re very committed to service and integrity, which makes sense with him being in law enforcement, right, for sure. All about righting wrongs. If it’s not right, they want to they gotta fix it. You gotta make it right. These people usually have excellent credit scores. Hey, that makes sense. Yeah, so they’re good homebuyers. homebuyers. Also good home sellers. Like these are the people

that have the great home maintenance. Yes. All the logs. Yes.

Everything is that this is your engineer to rain also just very rigid with not a lot of flexibility, which is why they can struggle. Yeah. And they easily upset others and they don’t mean to write well, the world is

not black and white. And that’s probably I appreciate this about engineers. It’s probably hard to get through life, feeling like they can’t make make sense of things that aren’t that are in the gray. Right? Right. You know, so it’s just tough. Oh, that’s really interesting. Yeah. So

these are the people that get angry when their neighbor leaves the trash can at the road after trash. We all know these people. It’s not right. They want to feel like

one is like the most easy to identify in the world. Like when you’re just walking by Oh, well, yeah, that is pretty easy. I mean, some of them are a little more confusing to me. As far as I don’t think I could pick one out of a lineup but a one right, I think I might be able to. And so

obviously, they have some pretty amazing qualities, but I’m sure on the lookout for themselves in relationships. Okay. Makes sense. They’re not that great at relating to others. You know, okay, I want to tell you, how they want to coach you. You just want to listen in year.

That’s fair. But okay, let’s think about how ones would work out in the real estate or business owner entrepreneurial sense. I was thinking, you know, the finaI for detail, you know, contracts are things that you need to be really careful with and pay attention to that would be nice. Probably good for preparing a home for sale. Like getting in there and seeing the whole picture. It will judge your home. Well, that’s sometimes you need that. Somebody needs to do it. Yeah. I mean, so I think that’s good. The workaholic thing I can feel that, you know, that’s, that’s my like, I could be one they said, My wings are balanced. So yeah, for sure. working too hard, sort of almost at the detriment of the people around you. Like the work is so important to you. Right? It’s hard to like, stop. Yes. I mean, you know, you got a problem. You know, what else? I think there are probably some good affirmations you know, and mindset work you could do to get through the stuff that’s your, you know, unhealthy traits and lean into the stuff that is your healthy stuff. Right. So maybe we’ll come up with some of those when we get to Enneagram. Episode Two. Yeah. If people like this one. Yeah, we’ll see. Second part. Right. So who is your celebrity one? Oh, that’s right. The celebrities Confucius Gandhi, Tina Fey and SEROW Tina Fey Tina Fey. Oh, she’s got like, I guess she’s got to get it. Right. Yeah, I know. And look there lists for very long those were not the only ones. Also Laura Bush. I mean, Katharine Hepburn. There’s tons tons and tons. Well, I have a little

surprise for us. What? For every number I have assigned a Disney character. I can’t wait. Please,

you did this on your own.

I feel like this. I stumbled across this. One person mentioned a Disney character. And I was like, Ah, this if you’re not as history savvy or celebrity savvy as myself, but you maybe this will relate. Maybe this will help tell me who the one is. Ariel’s father. Oh,

yes. King Triton.

Okay, that’s amazing. He’s very black and white. True. He scolds her and focuses her Yes. Trying to reform her. He wants her to be punctual. He doesn’t understand why she’s not. Yes, it runs her off true. But once she’s gone, he realizes itself and has to learn to love her for who she is. Very hard for a one. Yeah. So if you’re in a relationship with a one, or have a family member who is a one, give them some grace, right? Because a little even if it doesn’t seem like they’re trying a little bit to them is very hard. Right? Okay, so you really have to just not give them give them some grace and not such a hard time. Okay, I love it. Yeah.

Are we ready for two? Yeah, okay. All right. Two is the helper again, people pleasing, caring interpersonal type, healthy traits. Love is the highest ideal selflessness is their duty giving to others is their reason for being involved socially aware. Usually extroverted twos are the type of people who remember everyone’s birthday and who go the extra mile to help out a co worker, spouse or friend and need their warmth care a great deal about relationships they are practical people who thrive in the helping professions and who know how to make a home comfortable and

inviting when you were reading this did you feel like you were being exposed? Totally me

100 For sobbing totally me. The unhealthy traits need to be needed expect appreciation for their efforts can be bossy and manipulative can forget to take care of their own needs check check check and all the checks like That’s true. All the things and it’s that here’s a great example and I can’t even remember this has happened many times throughout my life. I love to give I love buying presents. I love to give people things I’m a big I just love it. It makes me so happy. But if you take from me or if I given you don’t say Thank you I am so mad. So like if I have a bag of chips or this is how I’ve been so many times got my bag of chips. Somebody like, reaches in and takes a chip. And I’m like, What are you doing?

Taking advantage of it?

Maybe. But I just think it’s like, I want the ability to give it. So if you had said, Hey, can I have a chip? I’d be like, Yeah, take the chip, and then you would say, thank you, and my world would be perfect. It wasn’t that I needed to keep the chip, it was that you didn’t allow me to give it to you. Right? That’s so so true. It’s ridiculous. Females, though, of any type are bound to recognize some of the dynamics of type two in their personalities. As such qualities have been socially reinforced. What do you mean? So like, mothering, you know, nurturing, even if you’re not a two, if you’re a mother, if you’re a female, you have these societal norms kind of tell you, you should be these things. So most women will identify with parts of two because that’s what they’re told as they grow up. They grow in that, you know, being nurturing taking care of people, mothering. Yes, I like that. It’s very interesting. Yeah. So that’s the story with healthy and unhealthy traits. I totally agree with all of these. I think it works great in real estate, especially since I’m apparently going to be good at making people comfortable in their home. Right. And that’s probably why I like staging so much. Yeah. Does nesting, you know,

well, you’re very in tune with the needs of others. I’d like to think so they have a need, you want to fulfill the need. Yes. Which is our job. Yes. Right. And many the job of many entrepreneurs, right.

The problem I think in business as a two is that it’s hard to say no. Right? It’s hard to say no. It’s hard not to feel sort of emotionally attached to what their goals are. I am I have such a struggle telling sellers. That price is too high. Like I want them to have what they want. I really do I really want to be like, yes, you can ask for an extra $20,000. No, you can’t like so I am always sort of struggling with I can’t just help people do it helps them. I know. I know. Hard. So I think you know, you probably just have to be mindful of, you know, not not letting people take advantage not you know, not getting too I mean, I’m emotionally invested in my transactions. Right. Which I think is okay. I think there’s a total place for that. Yeah. Just when I when they need information. I have to be firm. I need to be firm.

Yes. Not just what they want to

hear. No, not what they want to hear. Okay. Do you want to know the famous people? Yes. Okay. Eleanor Roosevelt. Ann Landers. Stevie Wonder mother, Teresa. Teresa. Obviously, she’s a helper. But they went on and on and I found a couple that were actual two wing threes. And I died. This is for Nikki Besian because one of them was Kathie Lee Gifford and, you know, she said we were like Kathy and Hoda was like, That’s hilarious. One of them was Drew Barrymore. Goldie Hawn, I’ve always felt a connection to those people. When I you know, like, it’s so interesting spirit. I know. And Richard Simmons who I’m not gonna lie, I also thought he was interesting, and I always feel sort of connected when you feel your best. That’s so funny. Tell us our Disney character.

I don’t think this is Disney. But it’s Dory from Finding Nemo. Oh, Dory is the best friend that you could ever have. That’s true. Dory will drop anything to help you. Okay. Follow you across the ocean. Oh, give up everything. Love that Dory. Always ready to lend a hand? Positive encouraging. Yeah, you’re ready to give up and stop Finding Nemo?

That’s so good. I like to work you know, that’s amazing. Okay, so we’re on to three. The achiever I wonder if people are starting to like, find themselves. Yeah. Or do you feel like oh, this is so much like it’s overwhelming.

I think we’re doing okay. Okay. We’re keeping it simple.

It really isn’t that it can be really complicated. Oh, yeah, but I think we can get the gist. Okay, achiever is number three, success oriented. Oh, here this is you so pragmatic type adaptive, excelling, driven. Alright, healthy traits. Efficient, multitasker driven, hardworking, highly focused in the pursuit of their goals. socially competent, often extroverted and sometimes charismatic. Good. networkers. Threes have a lot of energy and often seem to embody a kind of zest for life that others find contagious. Unhealthy traits. Are you ready? workaholic, puts work before family does not recognize the needs of others due to focusing on achieving competitive afraid of being a loser. When unhealthy their narcissism make takes an ugly turn and they can become cold blooded and ruthless in the pursuit of their goals.

So you can see where a three who cannot recognize the feelings of others married to a one who can not recognize the

feelings of y’all have a lot of stuff going on there.

It works out but every now and then we have to be like, hey, right. We have to figure each other back in Yeah. But it’s funny that I think the three and one are kind of similar except for the facts, but not they have some commonalities. But the image conscious thing, like, as much as I would love to sit here and say, like, I don’t care what people think you know that I do. Well, yeah. And it’s just, it’s just hard. But reading it. I mean, I feel like I’m a text. I don’t think I read one thing about a three. That is not true. All resonated with you sing Yes. Sentence. Yeah, I was like, they had a 50 minute chapter in the book on number three, and the whole fifth, you are just nodding your head. This is craziness. Yeah. But it felt good to know that these aren’t just things in my subconscious, right. These are real things. Well, you know, the way Sarah

Jane describe it, as you will feel seen and known. Oh, yeah. And like, well, it’s not just me, I’m not like this broken thing. No, this is the thing I am in there, all these other people that are the same.

Yes. And it’s good. Because, like, when I am in an unhealthy space, and I’m like working on something and you need something or somebody needs something. It’s not easy for me to stop what I’m doing right? This is horrible. But they said, three if negotiating a business contract will be in church. And at the time when everybody vows their head will bow their head for appearances, but their brain is thinking about their contract. Well, yeah, you know, it’s just like very, it’s hard to shut it off. Yes. Because you’re always like, looking for that next level next level, which is why I think I kind of put my foot down in this industry to say,

I can’t I can’t, because that’s gonna be so hard because you’re already doing it.

Well, even in any entrepreneur. The message in America is always more and more and more right right. And the three is often referred to as the poster child of America. Oh, because America is all about live your dream if America was a purse was a type it would be three got it. It’s all about achievement and six live you’re right the American dream you can be whatever you want to be and do everything and do what you want to do. And so the threes are like highly embraced and rewarded in America, which makes it hard right not overdo it because we are constantly reward. It’s reinforced. It’s reinforced. Yeah, until you get to a point where you’re like, when’s the last time I talked to my friends? Right? Or my family? Yeah, when’s the last time that I like sat down and had an intentional conversation right one right. Now threes in their healthy state love to hear about other’s goals which okay, why do you think I went on so many coffee date you love it? I was just listening because you want to

you want to achieve again through them?

Yeah. And like one hero. Yeah, their goals, right cited me and like, I just was excited for them. And I wanted to achieve unlimited chi. Yes. Want to achieve? So just y’all go get the American dream. Just all made sense. That totally

makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Tell me though, in business, entrepreneurship, real estate? Where do you find the strings come from your three and one of the things you have to work on?

I think I’m so thankful for my freeness Yeah, because it keeps my email under control. Right. Okay. It keeps if somebody needs something, you’re gonna get it like that day, right? Um, it just keeps me on top of everything. And that seems whenever I hear people complain about their realtor. Yeah, it’s that they weren’t on top right. They were never they weren’t very responsive. Yep, took the lack of communication community. And like, I might even overdo it sometimes. Right? So I think it as an entrepreneur having some three qualities is beneficial there. Yeah. For productivity, for

sure. Multitasking all these things? What about what about unhealthy? Is it just that the boundaries are a problem? The boundaries

are a problem. The mindset is a problem. It’s really a mindset problem like working. And if I don’t rest enough, I’m overdoing it and burnout, right? Burnout, right. Very common. This is a real Yeah, because you’re just you don’t know when to stop until it’s too late. Yeah, and giving yourself permission to do nothing. Oh, yeah. Not getting depressed about it.

I look, I totally I sympathize and can relate. I mean, really, these are my wings. This is this is where I am. Do we want some famous threes? Okay. Michael Jordan, Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Tony Robbins, Tiger Woods. And as a special added bonus. I got you some three wing twos. Okay. Tom Cruise, Cindy Crawford lots. I mean, well, because you they’re doing famous people. So they’re all Britney Spears. It’s a three wing two. And Arnold Schwarzenegger. Wow. But Oprah and Tony Robbins are three three wing twos. Awesome. And that funny Robins right there achieving live in that American dream. Yeah, like next level dream. Absolutely. Okay, that’s Do you feel oh, we need your Disney character

the Disney character Hello not sure if this is Disney but incredible. Oh the mom the mom who is a secret superhero while dancing three kids yes the world and doing the dishes and the laundry sheets and making sure her husband say she’s supermom

Yeah, she’s achieving it all doing all of it at one time. Like I can do it. Yeah. What was her superpower? And Incredibles Is she the one that stretches that say she stretch stretching out can

do all things? Yeah, reach out. We could get it all. Yeah. Oh, yes.

Okay. I like that one.

I was yeah, I relate. Totally.

I love it. So fun. I like self discovery that makes me happy.

Okay, well, let me give us self discovery. Let’s see what quotes I have. Um, self contempt will only do damage. Okay. So sitting there asking yourself, Why am I this way? Right. So you gotta, you have to accept it. Right? passion and love for yourself is the only thing that will allow real change. And the only way to achieve self compassion and self love is to understand yourself.

Okay, that makes sense. I always love when people know who they are. Yeah, they’re like, oh, that’s me right now. Or like, they don’t make apologies. But they will talk to who they are. Yeah, I love that. Okay.

Okay, number four

for round a for the individualist. Again, sensitive, withdrawn. Expressive, dramatic, can be temperamental, healthy traits, self revealing and comfortable with emotional expression inspired and highly creative. They are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences. fours are self aware, sensitive and reserved. They are emotionally honest, creative and personal, unhealthy traits, fears of somehow being deeply flawed or defective, easily feel misunderstood and unappreciated, under stress tend to lapse into depression. And I made a note on neither of us are fours. Do you feel a four wing at all? No. Okay, so neither of us really relate. But when I was listening to some information on it, he said the fours really love the journey, which is great, because I mean, that’s what like this. So being able to appreciate it for a journey. And I think that’s great for in business, building your database, any kind of, you know, long term work, we have to kind of, you know, carry a project through in order to see results. Yeah. So they really liked the journey. And I think that would be good. Not always about the end goal. No, it’s not. I mean, mankind rarely is it before,

right? Because they just enjoy their work. Right? And yeah, the processes. Yeah, to me, the processes are in my way. Right. So it’s nice to know that there’s somebody that just enjoys some I just like the ride just there for

the ride. Well, you know, they are with being comfortable with emotion, I think that probably works well for emotional intelligence, you know, in the workforce, or you especially in real estate, where you’re dealing with a very emotional transaction. Yeah, it’s probably good to be able to empathize or sympathize with your clients and really, you know, feel with them so that you can, you know, get them through.

Well, how many times have you seen someone crying? And they say, I’m sorry, I don’t normally cry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That means you you cry. But what I liked about reading about the fours is that they have emotions and they are not apologetic for them. They’re like, why would I apologize, right thing that’s natural to I am I can feel something other than happy and it’s okay. I think that’s good. Yeah.

When I was taking a test, they were asking some questions that I thought was very interesting. Like, do you feel like there’s a beauty and sadness and like, Is that is that when a four says yes, yeah, probably

isn’t beauty and Sammy. Sure. Yeah.

Okay, I like that. Here are some famous fours. Edgar Allan Poe, and Frank and rice and Paul Simon. But can you see like almost like a dark that I pick all people I mean, Paul Simon’s pretty light.

Yeah, but some darkness there. Any idea on who are princesses? Oh,

god. Are these can it be a bad guy? No, not today. All good guys. I don’t know. Tell me

del. Oh, Belle. Is a dreamer. Okay. Doesn’t have a ton of friends. She’s kind of an withdrawn Okay. withdrawn. Okay. She loves to just go to the bookstore. Right and relate to the books. Yes. Lost in a good book. Okay. She asks her dad, do you think I’m odd? Oh, right. And he says my daughter odd, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, and she’s like, Okay, I just feel like I don’t fit in here. Hmm, she’s just you know, she knows that there’s bigger and better and she’s a dreamer. Okay, fours have dreams, they like adventure. And they the friends that they do have are good friends.

Okay, so that’s good. All right, well, I’m really loving this Disney character operation. Okay, number five, the investigator. Intense, perceptive innovative, secretive, isolated, healthy traits intelligent, well read and thoughtful and they frequently become experts in the areas that capture their interest, independent, innovative and inventive, unhealthy traits uncomfortable dealing with their emotions, exaggerated need for privacy and a deep seated fear of intrusion, which this is all very interesting to me. And it will even be more interesting when I tell you the famous people so I think that if you’re going to become an expert expert in your field, especially if you like your field, so then you’re gonna be an expert that’s got to play and great for business certainly does for real estate, the more you know and have knowledge, you know, the better you can serve your clients. So I think that’s probably a great you know, attribute two and five, right? The emotions probably is tough for them though, because it is emotional. Yes. So if they’re having trouble dealing with emotions, and then we’ve got people in an emotional operation, yeah, that probably wears on them a bit. Yes. Come to give their clients some grace. Yes. Okay. Any thoughts on are you gonna tell me Oh, you want to know the people? Oh, yeah. Let’s hear the people. Einstein. Okay, then go. Emily Dickinson and Mark Zuckerberg. Why and I think Mark Zuckerberg is particularly interesting now that I’ve read this again, because it says exaggerated need for privacy and a deep seated fear of intrusion and I picture Facebook and I’m like, you just put it all out there.

Just no privacy. Put

it all out there. So that’s the famous people Yeah. What about your your Okay, your Disney Belle’s father,

the inventor? Oh, yeah, he was he preferred to be alone. He did not want people intruding into his workshop into his space. He was highly intelligent to the point where other people you know, sometimes thought he was strange. They just didn’t get your yes get him right. He didn’t care. Okay. He was happy, right? Doing his work. And it was all good.

I like that. Yeah. Okay, so we got Belle, enter. Done. Yeah. Okay. Six is the loyalist. Okay, the committed Security Security oriented type engaging responsible, healthy traits, reliable, hardworking, responsible and trustworthy, good at troubleshooting. They foresee problems and foster cooperation, stable and self reliant. Unhealthy traits anxiety don’t trust easily defensive, evasive and anxious running on stress while complaining about it. I hear so much about realtors in this one. Do you really like first of all healthy tree are a lot of realtors here. Well, right. So here we are hardworking, responsible. That’s great. Good at foreseeing problems and fostering cooperation. I mean, like, for a real estate transaction, one you have to be able to cooperate. Yeah, or it’s gonna be a disaster. Being able to foresee problems. I mean, that’s really going to get your people through a transaction. You know, if you can first see what the possible roadblocks are, and stop them before they happen. It’s going to make the whole thing go so much better. Oh, yeah. So I think a six is probably perfect for a real estate transaction, like getting your sellers ready for a home inspection like hey, yeah, specters gonna kiss is what? Yes. So I love that and then I think what’s funny to me running on stress while complaining about it. Tell me that does not sound like almost every realtor you come across.

I mean, if you have a private realtor group, you see Enough complaining in there. Oh my god, so much passive aggressive complaint,

lots of complaining, but my best friend is a loyalist. Yeah, yep, She sure is. So I’m around. I’m around a six a lot. I think they’ve got great.

I mean, round a six a lot too. Are you?

Do you want to tell us who it is?

Are you just gonna giggle to yourself or in law is a six Okay, she’s super loyal. And just, you know, I like it. Yeah, she, she’s, I feel like she fits this good. She does. Yeah. And she’s what I liked about the sixes is that they are anxious but brave. Oh, that’s good. So they have anxiety

about cert, but they’re getting out there.

Do it anyway. I like that. It’s hard for them to get out of their comfort zone. So like if you if say it to six that doesn’t like crowds, okay. And they go somewhere because they were invited. Right? Don’t be down on them because they weren’t the funnest person there be glad that they came that was hard for them. Okay, so you really Have to give them grace to like that. Yeah. Oh, that’s very good here also very family driven. That’s good. Very family driven.

Okay like that with loyal you gotta keep that family right together tight. Okay, here’s some famous sixes. I also crack up. How did they decide? Like, I’m pretty sure Mark Twain did not take the Enneagram test that we just looked at his traits and like, I guess someone studying him because the list are so long of all the famous people I’m like, Well, it’s great. But these Enneagram experts must really be taken time to think about how each of these people was behaving either way, okay, sixes, Mark Twain, Freud, Nixon, Malcolm X, and a fictitious character, George Costanza. Oh, my gosh. Very cool. So

funny. Tell us our Disney character, Mulan. Oh, okay. And sacrificed herself to protect her father who was not able to go to war. I love it. She complained about it.

She was a six.

But she went and she brought the phalanx. Wow. I love it. She was scared. Yeah, you know, but she did what she knew in her heart.

She did what she had to do. Yeah, I love that. Okay, seven is the enthusiast. Okay, okay. I’m gonna remind me after this. Well, I’ll tell you now. So recently, probably two or three weeks ago, we went to a local art show. And it was based on the Enneagram what so the artist Chad Shoemaker had done a painting for each number, which was really interesting. I think it’s actually on display through October but either way, it was really cool and that and so he would have a little description of each number with the painting and it was just really fun to like, look at it in an art form. Yeah, was very interesting. Okay, so seven, the enthusiast the description they are busy, fun loving type spontaneous. The Healthy traits extroverted, optimistic, versatile and spontaneous, playful, high spirited, and practical. At their best. They focus their talents on worthwhile goals, becoming appreciative, joyous and satisfied. Perfect, unhealthy traits overextended, scattered and undisciplined can become distracted and exhausted by staying on the go. Problems with impatience and impulsiveness. So I made a note on this one, if you’re in business, this is the this is probably the shiny new object person. Yes. So we don’t wait to see if our CRM is working. We don’t wait to see if the marketing we’re working is working. Like we just move on. We can’t wait. So maybe they just need to work on not giving up on their systems too early. Oh, they also don’t like authority, which I think would work great being your own boss. Yeah. So good news. You can make your schedule and make your own rules. So that’s, I feel like that probably plays into real estate pretty

well. Yeah. Now in the book, it talks a lot about one of their weaknesses, being struggling to have serious conversations. Oh, like, these are the people that if you’re like, Hey, I just wanted to tell you, you hurt my feelings. They will awkwardly laugh, right? Like they laugh when they’re uncomfortable. Okay, because they’re like, I don’t know what to say. I don’t want to feel uncomfortable. I’m just gonna, like, talk about it. I just, I can’t talk to you about I’m just gonna laugh it off. Oh, they struggle to connect on a deeper level with people. Okay. And once things get serious, sometimes they, they have to go they have to go. They’re like, Okay, that was fun. It’s not fun anymore. So I know that the fun is over. That’s so interesting, isn’t it? People have to get through life in so many different unknown people. The struggles that people have are so different, so different. But if you’re not self aware, it’s going to hurt you.

I think this is a great point. If you’re self aware, you can probably navigate some of those things that might make your life more difficult. Yes, for sure. Here’s some famous sevens. Galileo, Mozart, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.

Wow. All right. Well, my baby sister has not taken the test. But I’m telling you she’s a she’s a seven all the way she doesn’t have the patience for the test. No patient no patients. But she like we would be like where’s Mallory? Oh, I think she’s in Mexico with her girlfriends. I’m like, what?

When did she get there? Well,

she had four days off of work, so they just found some cheap flight.

Oh, that’s so great, though.

I know. Do you wish you could live your life that way? I’m pretty jealous of her life. Totally. That’s amazing. But I have tried to have serious conversations with her. Not so good.

Doesn’t work out so well. Alright, who’s our who’s our

character? Peter Pan,

Peter. I should have tried to guess. Dang, that’s so true.

I’m gonna stay young forever. I’m just gonna flit around Yes, never ever land and we’re just gonna have Ah Lost Boys and that’s amazing. Windy gets too serious. We’re just gonna write her off and no way everything’s gonna be fine.

Oh my gosh, that’s great. Okay, eight is the Challenger Yep. Powerful, dominating type self confident and decisive. good healthy traits self confident, strong and assertive, protective, resourceful, straight talking and decisive. I think we’ve said that use their strength to improve other’s lives. Unhealthy traits can be egocentric and domineering, eights feel they must control their environment, especially people sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating. Okay, I feel like I have for sure done some deals with some eights. Yes. You know, it’s hard on a on a client, especially if they’re trying to control that situation because it’s really tough to control. Yes. Yes. Well, which I mean, self confidence is surely important. You’re gonna meet a lot of people, you know, in a business sense. I think that that would be you know, it’s

good to be direct.

Yes. Straight Talking. I think that’s probably great on listings. Yes. You got to tell those people the true

race. Good. This is what it is you want. This is what it right. This is the data and the facts. Exactly. So that’s good. Yes. They’re not going to tiptoe around your feet. Yeah. They’re just going to be honest with you and tell you it is what it is. I think that’s good. Yeah. Very bold. Yeah. And assertive.

It’s probably a good real estate trait.

Yeah, I like that. I think they have to focus on trying to be compassionate and patients fair. They have to focus on trying to help people see, you know, they have to help him see what people think and okay, and relate to them because they just don’t do that. Right. It’s very hard for them. Right. Okay.

We want some famous eights. Yep. FDR. Martin Luther King Jr. Donald Trump.

Hemingway. Very cool. I know. Okay, my my clue for our Disney character is you must control your temper. Your best control your temper, Beast. Oh, my You are really? I love y’all. I’m a Disney fanatic. Oh my gosh. Great all day long. Love it. Okay, so the beast is eight. He must learn to control his temper he has as hard he is loving and sensitive and he is scared and he just wants to protect himself and towards the end Bell. But he must control his temper in order to be effective. Okay, you can’t control your temper as an eight you will struggle. Okay, I can see that. Yeah. And he was struggling. Yes. Okay, that

was a good one. Okay. Number nine is the peacemaker. People love to be nine. And they have so they’re very proud of being nice. And that’s fine. We should all be proud of whatever we are. This is a description. They’re easygoing, receptive, reassuring, agreeable, healthy traits, accepting, trusting and stable. They are usually creative, optimistic and supportive. They are able to bring people together and heal conflicts, unhealthy traits too willing to go along with others to keep the peace problems with inertia and stubbornness. So your nines I mean, they’re great for probably contract negotiation, you know, getting through like an inspection repair request or something where you’ve got to get two parties to agree. I think that would probably be great. And healing conflicts at you know, book, you should be proud if that’s something you’re good at. Right. Let me think about how nice your life will be. I have heard of nine saying they don’t ever fight which can become problematic when you’re in a relationship and you’re trying to get through something they just can’t literally can’t fight well,

some of the negative sides is that eventually they’ll get to a point where they feel taken advantage of can imagine Yes, and the number one thing that the books said that these people like to hear is you are seen and heard. Oh, okay. And even though you see and hear others, right, we see and hear you Yes. You also have a purpose. I like that. They like to feel purpose. Oh, they don’t always feel it. Okay, that’s important to them. My middle sister. I am 90% Sure. This is her. Okay. She is the Peacekeeper between me and my youngest sister growing up, okay. No one was ever in a fight with the middle sister. Right? Like you. She could fight with her. She was just like, so sweet and peaceful. Right? If you approach her, she would say, I see your point of view. And you’re like, Well, I can’t even fight with you then what a great way to be fight with me. Right? Um, and she’s a nurse. And so she does a lot of Geriatric psychiatric nursing. Okay, Psych. And so patients, understanding people when they’re confused, calming them down, keeping them around. Oh, yeah, you shouldn’t I mean, textbook I love it. Yes.

That’s good. Okay, here’s some famous nines. Monae, Abraham Lincoln. I love that piece. The ultimate Peacekeeper, Ronald Reagan and Walt Disney.

Hey, hey there. Disney’s a nine. I like it. Well, our Disney Princess is Pocahontas. Pocahontas. She was the mediator between the Indians. Okay. And the white men.

Right. And I love it. Yes. Makes sense. Okay, that’s all of the numbers. And that’s already a really like a lot to take in. Right, we could now dive so much further into it. But I really think that’s a good yeah. Intro. Got a little information about us. Yeah, we we resonate with our numbers, we would love to hear some other people’s numbers. And when our listeners numbers, for sure, I want to know if if you’re a realtor, what your number is. And if you’re in another field, what your number is, I would love to see if there’s a huge mix, or if you know, certain numbers are gravitating. Yeah, I just like

it because there’s so many challenges that you’re born with that you like you have no control over, right? You cannot Yes, things people like it’s I’m wanting to change these things. No, no, the Enneagram is here to help you overcome those things. Focus on where you need to focus. Yeah, and live your best life?

Well, it’s a tool and use it to lean into your strengths. It’s used by a lot of therapists really? Yes.

I love that misuse it you know, when people are just trying to find out. So many people think that their personality is who they are. Right? And in the book, he was saying that the word personality comes from the Greek word persona, which means a mask. Oh, so even your personality is not who you are. Right? That’s just who you

learn to be. Who you present as in the world. Yeah,

that’s yeah, social Noma. Oh, so it’s just interesting, but we hope that this Enneagram topic will help you change the way you think about marriage. Sure, friendship. Yep. Parenting, your clients, your co worker, right? Because if you can understand everybody, it’s just all about compassion, and grace and love for every person, right? We want to give ourselves grace and all the people around us and what better way to win in business. I mean, I mean, this is like the guide

right? to winning the right, so good. Okay, well, I think that’s all we have for today. You got it all. This is awesome. If you guys loved it. We’ll dive deeper into it on another episode, but there are plenty of Enneagram resources out there. Yeah. So if you found that interesting, you can dive super deep. Okay. So this week we received we’re so grateful to have received a toast suggestion from someone in our local market, Rebecca Knight, and she, we’re just gonna read her toast because it’s very nice. And it’s talking about working together, which we all need to

do. Yes, exactly. Rebecca would like to toast to Elena, our Diwan with Keller Williams in Prairieville. Elena is the buyer’s agent for a home that she is selling that as part of a domino closing. She called me for something last week while I was in the middle of handling a difficult situation and could tell I was stressed. She called and emailed everyone in the transaction and 100% picked up the ball for me. She reminded me that this is a team effort and there will be a day when she needs help and I will be there for her. She didn’t have to do this but knew by helping me out that she was helping everyone out. If this isn’t community over competition, I don’t know what is. So we’re going to toast to Elena. Yep. And Rebecca.

I love it. Oh, that’s a great idea. Yes. Okay. Cheers.

Good teamwork. Yes.

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